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Title: Joe Biden - Warmonger
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URL Source: http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7896
Published: Aug 26, 2008
Author: Webster G. Tarpley
Post Date: 2008-08-26 12:35:21 by atheo
Keywords: Obama, Biden, Sudan
Views: 542
Comments: 24

Aug 26, 2008

WASHINGTON DC -- The vice presidential candidate chosen to run with Obama is Senator Joe Biden of Delaware, a discredited, sleazy, and shopworn political hack -- and therefore an anti-climax for all the callow and feckless youth who got the word via text message at 3am in the morning. The ability of the Trilateral-Bilderberg machine which controls Obama to put up a person like Biden already reflects the further degradation of US political life over the past 9-12 months, largely as a result of Obama's own demagogic, no- issues, personality cult agitation.

A year ago, there was wide agreement in the US middle class that Bush and Cheney should be impeached, that the police state be rolled back, and that the Iraq war should be ended as soon as physically possible. Thanks largely to the advent of the vapid and messianic Obama, these issues have now been thoroughly deflated. Biden is himself an incurable warmonger who voted for the Iraq war and blathered ceaselessly in favor of Bush's aggressive adventure to all who would listen. Naming Biden is a brutal insult to the antiwar majority of the Democratic Party, and Obama is obviously hoping that the Iraq war issue is dead, so nobody will care. Last year, Obama promised that he would work against the mentality that produced Iraq; if anyone incarnates that mentality, it is Biden. Biden is an incurable imperialist and an eager advocate of the discredited Bush-Cheney "war on terror." He even tried to use one of the Democratic debates last year to whip up hysteria in favor of attacking Sudan over the Darfur issue, and with some success. "I went there. I sat in the borders. I went in those camps. They're going to have thousands and thousands and thousands of people die. We've got to stop talking and act," Biden postured in Manchester New Hampshire on June 3, 2007 in an apparent call for bombing Sudan, a coup in Khartoum, or an invasion. Incredibly, the crowd applauded wildly.

Biden remains convinced that it is up to the United States to dictate the form of government and economic system of virtually every country in the world. His specialty is blatant interference in the internal affairs of sovereign states, with left-cover of soft power issues like human rights and humanitarian concerns furnishing his favorite pretexts. Biden has learned nothing from the Iraq debacle except that Iraq was not the right victim; more appropriate victims and more effective methods will have to be found, argues Biden. The real lesson of Iraq (and Lebanon 2006) is that US-British imperialism and world domination are finished historically, but this is lost on Biden.

Biden is the author of the odious plan to balkanize, partition, and subdivide Iraq into three zones: a Kurdish state designed to carve up Iran, Syria and Turkey as well as Iraq; a landlocked and oil- poor Sunni desert entity; and an oil-rich Shiastan in the south that might absorb the Arabistan or Achwaz province of Iran is a later breakup scenario for Iran. Biden's plan is a continuation of the Bernard Lewis plan to break up the existing states of the Middle East in a way destined to create a mosaic of pseudo- independent, squabbling mini-states or micro-states...

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#1. To: atheo (#0)

Biden is the author of the odious plan to balkanize, partition, and subdivide Iraq into three zones:

Biden is not the author of this plan, but he has considered it as a possible solution to the discord among the factions in Iraq.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   12:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Robin (#1)

Biden is not the author of this plan

Yes, Tarpley goes on to attribute further:

"Biden's plan is a continuation of the Bernard Lewis plan to break up the existing states of the Middle East"

I might add that this plan is identical to the 1980's "Strategy for Israel" by Oded Yinon who has links to the IDF and Israeli Government.

The Prophecy of Oded Yinon Is the US Waging Israel's Wars? By LINDA S. HEARD

www.counterpunch.org/heard 04252006.html

atheo  posted on  2008-08-26   12:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: atheo (#2)

It's also a continuation of the British policy, consider the creation of Kuwait out of Iraq. I understand the underground strata slants toward Kuwait and the oil just collects there. There is more than oil at stake but certainly no one would have been interested in Iraq if they had none. Oil is a sort of curse.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   13:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: atheo (#2)

We've read of opinion polls taken in Iraq among the Iraqis concerning this partition idea. The large majority of Iraqis are against it completely. I'm so amazed by American pundits on tv who speak of this partition idea as if it was for a humanitarian purpose. In India when they finally did the partition thing in 1948/47 there were a huge number of people killed as a result.

These ethnic groups are in reality mixed up living next to each other. You break them into 3 parts and all of a sudden in each part there will be pressure to push the 'other' ethnic groups out. and this pressure will include violence. then the violence will spiral upwards. People who formerly lived together peacefully would no longer do so. That is exactly what happened in India and the death tolls were thought to be over one million.

People forget that Mahatma Ghandi was one day calling for peace on national radio, then 3 days later was so disgusted at the way Hindus were killed he actually called for a killing spree against Muslims in revenge, then 3 days later he went back to his normal 'peace' attitude. During the period of time when the partition was occurring huge numbers of people were murdered. The same would happen in Iraq.

we also need to realize that prior to the invasion Iraq had practically no ethnic violence compared to after the invasion. This ethnic violence has been engendered by undercover operations for the sake of foreign policy goals. A better way to address the ethnic violence would be to simply withdraw completely.

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad with power. (Charles Beard, American Historian)

Red Jones  posted on  2008-08-26   13:13:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Robin (#3)

certainly no one would have been interested in Iraq if they had none oil

For many Americans this seems intuitive. Yet the evidence is in, the US has blown trillions and the only parties with new contracts are Russian, Chinese, and Iranian. Gas has tripled and US baseed multinationals are losing marketshare. And the occupations continue.

atheo  posted on  2008-08-26   13:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Red Jones (#4)

prior to the invasion Iraq had practically no ethnic violence

Great point. In fact these communities have lived in intracommunal peace much longer than we have by a huge margin. That's why they live intermixed, it's plainly obvious and academically unchallenged. This is what the Bidens and the media want to obscure.

atheo  posted on  2008-08-26   13:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: atheo (#5)

You can be sure the Bush and Cheney families and friends are raking in billions.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   13:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: atheo, Red Jones (#6)

Or is it just like the USSR, and under the heavy hand of Saddam, they simply got along b/c they had no choice? Once free, and under serious economic duress, the old grievances appear. I'm sure the chaos we intentionally created fed these divisions. The old "divide and conquer" yet again.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   14:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: atheo (#0)

Webster Tarpley is very smart. he may not be correct on all his assertions in this article, but he sure brought forth a lot of significant info.

I tend to be sympathetic to Tarpley's article. Biden is a war-monger. Biden did sell his services to the credit card industry. They did not mention in the article, but I believe the big credit card company in Delaware made Biden's son a high-paid executive. Biden does have a track record of dishonesty including the plagiarism incident.

Politics!!!! put no confidence in any of them.

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad with power. (Charles Beard, American Historian)

Red Jones  posted on  2008-08-26   14:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Robin (#8)

they simply got along b/c they had no choice?

I think that people who wanted to kill dozens of their own fellow citizens by means of suicide bombing had equal opportunity to do that under Saddam as in post-Saddam period.

a lot of these bad suicide bombings killed people of all ethnic groups. Because these ethnic groups are all mixed together it is impossible to avoid killing people from all the groups. Yet they still did it. makes no sense unless you understand it as something the US caused to happen purposely.

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad with power. (Charles Beard, American Historian)

Red Jones  posted on  2008-08-26   14:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Red Jones (#9)

McCain's son is caught up in a potential banking scandal in NV, and McCain of course was part of the Keating Five. I don't know anything about Biden's son.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   14:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Robin (#7)

Bush and Cheney families and friends are raking in billions

Maybe hundreds of millions which of course they could have scammed any number of ways without taking on so much risk.

But could it all be just about the Bush and Cheney families? If our wars stem just from those families interests, why do Obomber and all the Democrats support the "global war on terror"?

atheo  posted on  2008-08-26   14:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Robin (#8)

they simply got along b/c they had no choice?

Intra-communal peace in Bagdad and in Iraq in general goes back millenia.

atheo  posted on  2008-08-26   14:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: atheo (#13)

Then it's not like the USSR. Nevertheless, we've managed to stir up a lot of problems, dressed as Arabs with a carload of explosives headed for a police station, or not.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   14:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: atheo (#12)

The 'War on Terror' propaganda has been so successful that any politician who did not support it would appear to be a traitor. If the next administration continues the 'war on terror' for their own monetary gain, as this regime has, then the corruption continues. Of course monetary gain is not the only reason for the 'war on terror', which replaced the old Cold War for the military-industrial complex so well. In addition, the 'war on terror' makes a great excuse for certain foreign policy decisions.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   14:56:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: atheo (#12)

I think we'd all agree that Condi Rice is a war-monger. I heard her on the radio today threatening war against Russia. She said that the 2 Russian leaning provinces of Georgia would remain a part of Georgia. She said it with anger in her voice seemingly taunting the Russians. We should understand that quite likely a majority of the population in those 2 provinces wants to quit Georgia & re-join the Russian Federation. They used to be a part of Russia Federation. Georgia's only been independent for about 10 years.

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad with power. (Charles Beard, American Historian)

Red Jones  posted on  2008-08-26   15:06:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Robin (#15)

I agree with your #15 comments. It means that our politicians are badgered into what we should call 'bad decisions'. If they don't let themselves get badgered into this, then they are usually exited from the scene or at a minimum made irrelevant. we rarely have a good choice when we vote.

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad with power. (Charles Beard, American Historian)

Red Jones  posted on  2008-08-26   15:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Red Jones (#17)

You might be interested in this youtube presentation on some of this badgering, and how lobbyists can force politicians to stick with their program.

The Israeli Lobby

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   15:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Robin, Red Jones (#15)

propaganda has been so successful that any politician who did not support it would appear to be a traitor.

In your view, what drives the propagandists, and if the Democrats rely on the Israel lobby more than the Republicans, how can anything be expected to change?

The very same argument was put forward four years ago. Kerry was said to be a "stealth" peace candidate who truly wanted to bring change if elected. All the while his open positions were indistinguishable from Bush's. If this was true, why didn't he work for peace after abandoning his challenge for the Whitehouse? What have we heard from him? Is he still cowering in innaction so as to protect the Democrats from being identified with a platform that 70% of Americans support?

atheo  posted on  2008-08-26   17:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: atheo (#19)

All the while his open positions were indistinguishable from Bush's

That's not really accurate.

If this was true, why didn't he work for peace after abandoning his challenge for the Whitehouse? What have we heard from him? Is he still cowering in innaction so as to protect the Democrats from being identified with a platform that 70% of Americans support?

I don't know what he's been doing. I know that he spoke for peace during the Vietnam War years.

I found this after a quick search:

Oct. 31, 2006

WASHINGTON - The White House and Sen. John Kerry traded their harshest accusations since the 2004 presidential race on Tuesday, with President Bush accusing the Democrat of troop-bashing and Kerry calling the president’s men hacks who are “willing to lie.”

The war of words, tough even for this hard-fought campaign season, came after Kerry told a group of California students on Monday that those unable to navigate the country’s education system “get stuck in Iraq.”

And in 2005:

Kerry Urges U.S. to Start Withdrawal From Iraq
Senator's Timetable Specifies 15 Months

By Chris Cillizza and Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 27, 2005; Page A03

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   17:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Robin (#20)

Kerry Urges U.S. to Start Withdrawal From Iraq Senator's Timetable Specifies 15 Months

I wonder if he shares Obomber's definition of "withdrawl"? I suppose he shares Obomber's position that we need to send 10,000 more troops to Afghanistan along with Pakistan and beef up the military with 90,000 more troops.

atheo  posted on  2008-08-26   18:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: atheo (#21)

Considering that McCain prefers more troops (as in a surge) and is even agreeable to a military draft, not to mention 100 years of war, I don't see why you quibble over whether the withdrawal is all the troops or just the combat troops.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   18:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Robin (#22)

I don't see why you quibble over whether the withdrawal is all the troops or just the combat troops.

Considering that the "non-combat troops combined with the mercs equalls 3/4 of the current forces, I would hardly call it quibbling. And my problem is with Obomber's official position whereas your problem with McAIPAC is based on one of the cuff remark.

atheo  posted on  2008-08-26   20:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: atheo (#23)

McSame said he agreed with the woman who suggested reinstating the draft! That was NOT off the cuff.

Furthermore, McSame says that withdrawing any troops is defeatist!

The 100 years war he dreams about and "bomb, bomb bomb Iran" are pure McCain - that's who he is - a true warmonger.

We must win in Iraq. If we withdraw, there will be chaos; there will be genocide; and they will follow us home. - John McCain

Robin  posted on  2008-08-26   20:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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